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Post by Princess on Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:32 pm

There seems to be a shortage of nx sellers for sissors for zak runs, so in case it encourages futher hosting, I thought I post that I found a nice supplier. He sells 15:1 so a 3k nx karma sissor would cost 45m mesos. His name is Bert (and he has my vouch). Let me know if you are interested and i'll track him down and get you in touch with him. Cool


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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by DeeSeng on Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:34 pm

If only I was rich.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:25 am

Just not worth it anymore. (effort wise as well). At 1:15 instead of 1:10, you would get a profit of approximately 15m per helm. Assume 6 helms and 4 apples at 7m each with 10 splits. 6.2 mil per run. Idk about you guys, but I use about 1mil worth of pots on a normal run, so im down around 5m profit, but then we have to add in extra shop costs and helms not selling for a while and crap like that, 5m if we're lucky. Add in inflation, soon we will be in the negative for going on a run.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by nightclawz on Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:38 am

I thought this was why the price of helms inflated...
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:07 am

I havent seen any prices in a while, so i could be completely wrong on this. Either way, it seems that doing a single apq in which you get 1 apple is more fruitful than doing a zrun =/

EDIT: And im even too lazy to apq!

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Miriya on Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:50 pm

I need funding :C I have had 0 mesos since we quit zakking, which makes it annoyingly hard to train.
Just saying.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Kimberly on Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:52 pm

Holy hell... I would have been uber rich if I sold I that rate when I sold like 800K

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Mikey on Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:50 pm

I am uber broke, but ima eventually have all the things i need. plus our economy in maple now = f'd thanks to potentials and enhancments.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by 55 Guy on Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:11 am

Can we go on fun runs?
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by ChazTheDude on Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:13 pm

if you guys want too.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:58 pm

Yeah, i dont plan on hosting any more, but if you guys can organize it go ahead o.O
I think dee is planning on starting a squad anyway.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by DeeSeng on Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:22 pm

Not until I get more than 17mill. If I do organize, it's free-for-all zhelms, meaning if you want to loot tell me in advance. And books and junk.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Miriya on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:48 am

I kinda like the idea of free loot for all but at the same time I don't. As a guild zakum runs is one of those things that just comes with the territory. It's fun, we can make mesos off of it (for those of us who have lives and can't merchant like some people), and one of my main reasons for joining a guild. I have always loved going on zak runs more than anything else on this game, and it is quite depressing that the guild has kind of died down (again) and we don't do them anymore.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by nightclawz on Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:44 pm

Miriya wrote:I kinda like the idea of free loot for all but at the same time I don't.

Well, with the high helm drop rate, I'm pretty sure that if we organize a double run, everyone that wants a helm can loot.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Miriya on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:26 am

But I still wont be making any mesos. I wish I was funded.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by GlassBoxMime on Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:55 pm

zhelm prices went up from what i saw. They are like 80-100m now. Especially if they are potential. I think its worth starting em up again.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Princess on Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:29 pm

avg z helms sell for 100m with potential and another 10m for each stat above avg. It's pretty profitable to put 70 potentials on the helms and sell for 20m more than without potential. Very Happy
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:18 pm

Princess wrote:It's pretty profitable to put 70 potentials on the helms and sell for 20m more than without potential. Very Happy

Excuse me if im wrong here, but Im pretty sure that could only give a negative income o.O
70% potential scrolls last time i checked sold for around 13m, say 10 for easy math. So for every one that works, you gain 10m profit. But for every one you fail, you lose not only the 80m for the helm but the 10m for the scroll as well.

For simple proof, say you potential 10 helms and the law of averages works perfectly.

10 helms - 80m each, 10 potential scrolls, 10m each = 900m
Combine them, 3 booming.
7 helms - 100m each, 0 potential scrolls = 700m.

I suppose Id have to deal with scissors, but that isnt too big a difference.

10 helms all scissored (45m a scissor) and 10 scrolls = 900m - 450m = 450m profit
7 helms scissored, 0 scrolls = 700m - 315m = 385m profit.

Even if you take the fact that the helms that break dont have to be scissored into account, you still only turn a loss by actually combining the two items. Again, correct me if I misunderstood anything.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by DeeSeng on Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:58 pm

70% = 5-8mill. Saw a guy selling...9x for about...6mill or 7mill in FM14 last night. And I was offered 3mill for mine. So going down extremely fast. And advanced are 22-25mill.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by GlassBoxMime on Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:26 pm

even if you dont buy the scrolls its still worth it. zhelms drop with potential sometimes so it wouldnt even be worth risking the chance of blowing em up by scrolls. either way its still worth starting up runs again since there is now a supplier for nx.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:26 pm

DeeSeng wrote:70% = 5-8mill. Saw a guy selling...9x for about...6mill or 7mill in FM14 last night. And I was offered 3mill for mine. So going down extremely fast. And advanced are 22-25mill.

Alright, you see my point though. Even if every scroll was free, itd still be a 35m loss.

And ill do the advanced math, why not:

Oh wait its simple. if it works, its paid for itself. so every 10 zhelms, you lose 1, so 80m lost between 10 zhelms, a net loss of 8m per advance used.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by nightclawz on Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:35 pm

I'm a little confused, you're not buying the helm, then potentialing it. You're using the scroll in the altar, you're not losing 80m if you boom, you just loot another helm.
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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Steve on Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:30 pm

If you dont potential it, and simply sell it, its 80m. Picking up a zhelm is 80m in your pocket (in my first calculation, in my second i took the scissors into account). The only way that your method would work is if there were more helms than looters. In that case you could afford to scroll em all and boom a few.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by Kimberly on Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:28 pm

I'm ready to start running now that I'm 100 LOL. I'm going to quit my weekend job and I'm sure I can start funding some runs soon (how much do we initially need?). I'm also going to start selling 50-75k nx a month again. I'll only be playing weekends, but I'll be playing more than I have before. Holy hell, I just miss you guys and all the fun we use to have.

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Re: Need Sissors for Zak Runs?

Post by DeeSeng on Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:36 pm

B> THAT NX... When I can get money.
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